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Five Theological Turnings, 2

I finished the second McLaren session from the Abilene Christian University Lectureship, and he was again fairly interesting in his diagnosis of a number of problems within the church, but his read on them exposes some antipathy to conservative viewpoints.

He talks some about atonement, and describes penal-substitution this way: “God needs to destroy us and torture us forever in Hell. And God can’t vent God’s anger unless there is someone to vent the anger on. And so God decides to send his son…and God vents his wrath on Jesus instead of venting his wrath on all of us.” He immediatel admits that his didn’t describe it “gracefully”, but that he was “being very crude”.  But that doesn’t wash off the uncharitible, and truly misleading explanation of penal-substitution. He just left it there, and moved on.

He was quite generous to the other three atonement theories he described…none other got this type of treatment, so his disdain for it is clear, if you’re listening.

One of the things that bothers me, aside from this type of thing (which he does several times), is that one of his major points is that a problem we suffer from is trying to fit all of God, Jesus, and the Gospel into one metaphor.  But his decision is that all the metaphors are bad, and we need a new one, rather than using these metaphors like Jesus’ parables: all are true and descriptive, but none is all encompassing.  Read more

Five Theological Turnings, 1

Brian McLaren spoke recently at the Abilene Christian University Lectureship. ACU is a fairly conservative school, so I was a bit surprised when I saw that he’d be there. Today I’m listening to his first session, called “Five Theological Turnings” (1 of 2). I’ll be posting my thoughts here as I listen.

So far he’s said a lot I agree with about the problems with the church as it stands today, and has stood for the last hundred years. His comments about paradigm shifts, and the need to recognize that there is no single Biblical worldview or correct human perspective, are very true and important to acknowledge. He also cites Barth in saying that theology is not something reserved for a small group of academics.

He’s bothering me a bit, because, while he’s not  adding anything to the discussion, the way he describes situations, and characterizes people’s beliefs – he claims some believe God “created the world, then hated it, and can’t wait to destroy it so he can suck all our souls up to heaven”, and that those who believe that the Father is above the Son or the two are above the Spirit will go around saying that women are superior to men or that their race is superior to others – in a way that just doesn’t gel with the concept of a “generous” anything, let alone orthodoxy.

We’ll see where he goes from here.

Part 1

Segment one was quite interesting. A lot of strong ideas about the breakdown of modernity, not in the form of deconstruction, or an eschwing of concrete truth, but in the form of worldview shifts.

At one point he talks about the discovery of subatomic particles, and the idea that if you start looking at things that are small enough, there’s nothing there; that everything we call matter is “a distortion in the fabric of space and time”.  Much like the idea that in any “solid” object there is more space than matter, if you look closely enough.

“In the beginning was the word.”

What is the word? In human terms it’s a vibration…a distortion and an interruption in the normal pattern with a meaningful purpose.

He also talked about meeting with a group of Kenyan yuppies (young urban proffesionals, for those who don’t know), one of whom mentioned that she’s the only one in her office who goes to church.  The others call themselves athiests and agnostics. She says they “are not athiests”, they’ve “just rejected the God of Kenyan Pentacostalism.”  I can identify there. I often find myself arguing talking in a reasonable and measured tone with people who are angry at a god that I don’t recognize, and is certainly not the one I find in Scripture.

Part two is next. He hasn’t added anything to the discussion, but only described some situations and cited others.  I’m interested in his own ideas.